Hayden :: The AD Interview


Hayden has come a long way from his introduction to the U.S. as the heir to the folky mope-rock throne over a decade ago. His new album, In Field & Town, is instrumentally his most fully realized to date. He sat down earlier this month with Aquarium Drunkard prior to his show at Local 506 in Chapel Hill, North Carolina, and discussed the new album, evolution in his songwriting, the differences between Canadian and U.S. touring and audience anomalies in Philadelphia.

Aquarium Drunkard: You’ve got a new record out called In Field & Town and I wanted to ask you a bit about some of the responses to the record. Some people, long time fans, feel thrown for a loop off of the first track. They felt a stylistic or recording change – can you talk about the recording process for the album and if there were any conscientious style changes in what you’ve been doing over the years?

Hayden Desser: Well, it’s funny you mention that, ’cause being on tour now I’ve noticed especially seeing previews of my show coming up and people saying ‘folky Hayden’ or ‘if you’re in the mood for a nice, mellow, poetic show then come to this’ sort of thing. And it’s funny ’cause what we’re doing right now is mostly up tempo with a lot of instrumentation. Why this album and that change? I just had a lot of fun adding instruments to the songs and I wanted to not have too many songs with a mid-tempo – I feel that some of my albums have too many of those and it’s something I kind of naturally go to and I wanted to get away from that a little bit. So the three main differences would be the tempo thing, putting a ton of instruments on a bunch of songs and the fact that a lot of them were written on piano and that kind of added a different kind of texture. I just play a different sort of rhythm when I’m writing on piano.

AD: At this point you’ve been recording and releasing albums for a little over a decade. How do you feel your songwriting process has evolved over the decade you’ve been releasing music?

HD: Well, I like to think that my recording techniques are better now than they were and I don’t know. I write less and I scrutinize my songs more than I did 12 years ago. But I don’ t know. It’s hard to look at it as a big picture kind of scenario and dissect what it is that’s different or what the exact progression is. I’m not sure. You need to tell me that. [laughs]

AD: Do you look at your work as each thing you release as another part of an ongoing piece of art or is every album sort of an entity in itself? Do you see your work as a whole or as individual parts?

HD: Well, both if that makes any sense. The strange thing about how I do things is because I take two to three years between records, so much happens and so many things are different by the time I go back to make a record, that because of that they seem very different from each other and I’m almost a slightly different person every time I’m going to start writing again and recording again. I’m taking material from several years of what’s been going on in my life and that’s a factor, for sure, how long it takes me.

AD: One of the things, stylistically, we’ve seen change over the years – there have always been themes of self-deprecation in your music, but over time it’s taken on more of a sense of humor, especially with “Hollywood Ending” from Elk Lake Serenade and on the new record, “Lonely Security Guard.” As much as your sense of humor has always come out in your live shows, it seems to be coming out more in the records. Have you felt more comfortable with those sorts of things? How do you feel about that nature of your songwriting?

HD: I’m not sure. It could be a reaction to just feeling like a lot of the material has a serious tone to it. But “Lonely Security Guard” almost didn’t make the record. It’s a tough one. Sometimes I think certain songs are a bit too silly or I think they would take away from whatever statement the whole record is. But self-deprecation is my kind of humor. That’s what I love. I love that kind of thing. I love the Woody Allens and the Larry Davids of the world.

AD: In Canada you have a larger commercial presence than you do in the U.S. How is it different to come to the U.S. and play shows? What’s a typical Canadian Hayden show versus a typical U.S. Hayden show?

HD: Uhm, there’s people. [laugh] In attendance. The Canadian shows are bigger and they can be theatres and I can rent real pianos for the night. It’s interesting. Coming to the U.S. over the last many years, I’ve kind of been playing the same places every time I come back and often to the same people. It’s nice that they come back. But I kind of take a deep breath when I decide to go on a U.S. tour because it’s by no means cushy in any way. And the older I get, truthfully, it gets a little tougher being in a cramped van and staying in the worst hotels in each city, that are a half hour outside the city because they’re cheaper. It’s tough. I’m lucky I enjoy playing my music enough to deal with doing this kind of touring in the U.S. after so many years. I think if I were 18, I’d still think it was a trip. [laughs]

AD: Does that frustrate you at all? There is a downside to playing in the U.S., but is there an upside to coming and playing smaller venues that you wouldn’t be able to play those types of places in Canada?

HD: Well, if I’m up for it and it’s at the right time, it’s a good thing because it’s something different. I can’t just play Canada over and over again and there are genuinely great people who have been coming to see me for years now and it’s nice. I have no problem with America. Truthfully, it is a bit frustrating that for whatever reason, the labels I’ve been on or whoever my publicist was or whatever hundreds of excuses there could be, there has been very little build in my American career. So, to be honest, yes, it’s frustrating to arrive in a city that I’ve played six times before and there are only 50 people there and no posters up anywhere. [ed. note – The night of this show Hayden was up against Mudhoney playing just up the street and R.E.M. and the National over in nearby Raleigh.] Those are daily frustrations that you deal with, but sometimes, the next day you look at the paper and there are 500 other bands that can’t even draw 50 people and, you know, aren’t able to go on tour. It’s one of those things. It depends on what mood you’re in that day or how thankful you are for your situation.

AD: The couple of times I’ve caught you here in the U.S. you’ve been playing by yourself – is this a solo tour also or do you have a band in tow?

HD: No, I actually have a band, a really great band I’m excited about. They’re a band from Canada called Cuff the Duke. They’ve just finished touring their own record and they’ve come out and are doing this with me.

AD: How different is it bringing a solo show on tour – are there different ways you have to approach the arrangements or is it basically solo Hayden with a band? What are the differences?

HD: Well, that’s the biggest difference of course. Solo shows I often look for sort of alternative types of venues – small churches or halls or library basements – more listening scenarios. The band thing is whatever rock club is willing to have us. This time around it’s been extra exciting for me because this record has so many textures and some songs have seven guitars on them and I wanted to hear all that stuff and I wanted to have that interaction with good players and that’s what we have. It’s been going really well. I started touring this record with three separate solo tours, so it was the right time to get the band happening ’cause I was getting kind of bored of doing it solo.

AD: How’s the record doing in the U.S.?
HD: Uh, well, I don’t think any record does well anymore. [laughs]
AD: Has the turnout for this tour been pretty consistent with what you’ve had in the past?

HD: Yeah, there’s been people. There was only one bummer show in Philadelphia that the audience – I think several people died during the show. There was something weird going on. But there’s been a crazy heat wave on this tour. I don’t know, for some strange reason, people don’t want to leave their air conditioned houses when it’s a hundred degrees out. – j. neas

Completely unrelated: Aquarium Drunkard the guest blog last week on WOXY’s Friends of the Futurist. I DJ’d and talked shop with host Joe Long for two hours. You can stream it below:


MP3: Hayden :: Where And When
MP3: Hayden :: Lonely Security Guard
Amazon: Hayden – In Field & Town

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